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4, Capel-street. April 7. Rev Sir,— Your letter of last night has relieved me from all perplexity-removed all my anxiety, and given me unexampled satisfaction. The die is cast. There is no retrealing now; und I am charmed at the prospect of a public opportunity of exhibiting to the full gaze of mankind tho Veiled Prophets' of a proud, worldly, luxuriating Establishment. The comparative claims of the two great rival Churches to Unity, Sanctity, Catholicity, and Apostolicity, are now in a promising way of being fairly, fully, equally, and searchingly discussed. Your two propositions are already before the public. These you undertake to prove, and I to disprove. Thus do I consent to meet you amicably upon your own terms. My friend Mr. Coyne, and I shall meet you and your friend, between the hours of one and two o'clock, P. M. on Monday next, at 4, Capel-street, to appoint time and place, and settle the whole routine of our friendly and Christian-like discussion. I cannot conclude this letter without congratulating you on your manly candour throughout the whole of our meetings and correspondence; and I trust you have no reason to be dissatisfied with me or mine. I am, reverend sir, your obedient humble servant,


Rev. T. D. Gregg.
Rev. Sir, I will (D. V.) meet you at the appointed time and place, on Monday.
I am satisfied with the view you take as to the terms of the discussion.

The result of that discussion will enable you to judge more correctly than it would be, perhaps poasible at this moment to do of the satisfaction that the prospect of it should lead you to feel.

I take the liberty of inclosing you a publication of mine, the arguments in which I mean to; urge. You will thus have an opportunity of calmly considering them.

I thankfully acknowledge your courteous demeanor, and sincerely pray that the God of all grace may lead you into all truth. I remain, Rev. Sir, your faithful servant in Christ,

T. D. GREGG. Rev, T, Maguire.

To the Editor of the Dublin Evening Post. M, DEAR SIR-I shall thank you to give a place to the enclosed documents No. I, II, III, IV. V• and VI. It is but justice to the Rev. Mr. Gregg to say, that his conduct throughout has been marked by the strictest sense of honour, candour, and integrity.

I am, my dear sir, yours very truly,

RICHARD COTXE. 4, Capel-street, Thursday, April 19.

On the 9th, the following preliminaries were agreed to :-





That the discussion be held in the round-room of the Rotunda, if obtainable, or in any equally capacious and convenient room.

That the discussion shall commence on the last Tuesday in May, and continue on that, and the following days, at eleven o'clock, A. M. each day, and continue till two o'clock, but may be continued till three o'clock, if both the principals agres-each speaker to continue his address for thirty minutes.

That two chairmen be chosen by the principals, on or before the first day of the discussion.

That the principals be plaintiff and defendant on alternate daya-Mr. Gregg to be plaintiff first day, Mr. Maguire plaintiff second day, and so on.

Tbo discussion to continue until the chairmen agree that it shall terminate.
Tbat, at least, on one day females be excluded.

That the expense of the disenssion be borne bytickets, and the surplus be given to the principals •* each side, for the purposes of charity- the price of the tickets to be hereafter decided.

That the meeting be open to the press, and a special reporter for each party be employed, who shall be responsible for the accuracy of the reports that shall be made of the speeches, and of the entire terms of the discussion.

Two door-keepers to be appointed-one Roman Catholic and one Protestant. That no indication be admitted of approbation or disapprobation during the discussion. The discussion to be published, being previously authenticated by the principals themselves; that any profils derivable to the principals from the publication be equally divided between them for such purposes as the surplus money from the tickets,


SPENCER W. Walsh, D, D Jour MORPHY, O.S.F.

Capt. Royal Marines. 4, Capel-street, April 19.




TO MR. GREGG. MY DEAR SIR-I have just read, for the first time, the agreement you have entered into with Mr. Maguire ; and it appears to me that you are confined to limit your observations to the two points alone which you have undertaken to prove, and that Mr. Maguire would be entitled to say, if you enter into a minute discussion of doctrines, that you are travelling out of the limits of the controversy: and that he is not obliged to follow you, it not heing a discussion between the relative merits of Protestantism and Popery, but between the Church of Rome and the Church of England.

I must, under these circumstances, decline being a party in any way to a controversy which places the advocate of the sacred cause in which you are engaged under these disadvantageous circum

Wishing you, therefore. every success, and that the power of the Lord will assist you against your
wily adversary, I am, my dear and Rev. Sir, with great respect, very respectfully yours,
4, Capel-street, April 18.

I beg to add that I waited yesterday on the Registrar of the Lying-in Hospital, accompanied by Mr.
Coyne ; and it is but justice to Mr. Coyne to say that he acted with me in the fairest and most candid

A. M. On Wednesday, the 11th instant, the two Rev. Principals being at No. 4, Capel-street, Mr. Maguire mentioned to the Rev. Mr. Gregg, that as he was constrained to leave town immediately, and Mr. Gregg having failed up to that time to come to any decisive arrangement regarding the room, tickets, &c. he then would nominate Mr. R. Coyne, his representativc, in whose management he placed the most implicit confidence, and for whose every act he would hold himself fully accountable.





Rev, 913-On Wednesday last. the 11th instant, I mentioned to you, in the presence of the Rev. T. Maguire, that your acting friends, the Rev. Dr. Walsh and Capi. Patterson, who had met on the previous day, for the purpose of engaging a public room in which should be held the pending controversy (the preliminaries of which had been signed by them on Monday) declined incurring any responsibility weatever as to the remuneration to be given for the use and occupancy of such room. You then promised that a person would wait on me, fully authorised to do all necessary in the

Although in expectation of a communication on the subject, it was not till Monday last, the 16th instant, that Dr. Meyler called upon me, invested, as he stated, with ample powers to fix and secure the place of meeting, as well as to settle the price of admission. I accompanied him to the Lecture-room in Sackville Street, subsequently to the Rotunda, and we parted on the distinct understanding, that, at twelve o'clock this day (Wednesday) Dr. Meyler would again call on me, and enter into a joint letter of agreement to the Secretary of the Lying-in Hospital, who has the disposal of the room, securing him in the amount of the charge. I, in consequence, held myself in readiness to receive the Doctor. You will judge my surprise when he placed in my

hands the enclosed letter, (No. 2) in which he too, declines going a step further in the affair.

Thus, Rev. Sir, in a short space have no fewer than three of your friends seceded from you and

you canse.

In the meanwhile, much time has been unprofitably frittered away, and the public, as a matter of course, will begin to suspect that there is a want of being in earnest somewhere. Now, Rev. Sir, in order to remove all difficulty of a pecuniary nature, and to show that, on our side at least, there is more of seriousness than display, I make you this proposition :-1 am willing (without further speculation as to the probability of your finding a fourth friend) to become associated with you, Rev. Sir, yourself, in the extent of the liability as to the rent or other charges incidental to the hiring of a suitable arena for the expected discussion. This will remove all pretext for further procrastination or evasion, and will satisfy all interested in the impartial investigation of truth, that, as far as my friend is concerned, no difficulty shall be allowed to stand in the way of that fair and full discussion of which gentlemen of your church are the loud, the incessant-it is to be hoped the sincere advocates.

You already know that, in order to bring this matter to an issue, I have in every instance, even when opposed to my best judgment, yielded to you on details. When I went, at his request, with Dr. Meyler to your house on Monday last, you insisted that, in order to procure a numerous audience, capable of filling the large room of the Rotunda, which holds 2,000 persons, and to afford you an opportunity of converting the poor, the tickets should be disposed of for three shillings and sixpence each. I consented ; though thoroughly convinced that the ends of the controversy, as well as order and decorum, would be better studied and attained by making the audience more select, for which I suggested that the Lecture Room should be chosen, the assembly confined to 500 persons, and that the tickets should be 78. 6d., the price of admission on a former memorable occasion.

Now, Rev. Sir, in order to narrow this matter to its concluding point, should I not hear from you besore eleven o'clock in the morning, I shall consider myself at liberty to publish this letter, as well -as Dr. Meyler's, together with the preliminaries, which have not yet appeared in the Evening Post newspaper, and I trust my good friends of the Mail and Packet will not consider me churhish because I do not furnish them with copies; from both of whom I acknowledge to have received, on every occasion, a notice and consideration, of which I owe myself altogether unworthy, but for which I am, and must ever remain through life, their grateful debtor.

I have only to add, that as my bold, brilliant, and illustrious Father, the Rev. T. Maguire, who left town on Saturday last, is anxiously awaiting the result of our conserence, I am the more desirous of receiving your immediate reply, that I may at once communicate with him upon the subject. I have the honour, Rev. Sir, to remain your obedient and obliged servant,

RICHARD Corna. A, Capel-street, Wednesday, 18th April, eight o'clock.


Sir-Believe me, I am equally astonished and disappointed at Dr. Meyler's letter.

I give you the most ample credit for your bold proceeding, and should I not to-morrow find a person to stand by me with genuine Protestant firmness, I will thankfully accept the terms you propose as to the taking of the room.

I remain, sir, yours very faithfully,

T. D. GREGA. 18th April, 1838. Half-past Ten, A.M.


The Rev. T. D. Gregg, Minister of the Free Church, Swift's Alley, and Mr. Richard Coyne, on the part of the Rev. T. Maguire, P. P. of Ballinamore, beg to apply to the committee of the Hospital for the Round-room of the Rotunda, in order that the discussion between Mr. Gregg and Mr. Maguire may be held there.

It has been arranged that this discussion shall commence on the last Tuesday in May, and continue during that and successive days, until the chairmen on both sides agree that it shall cease. It is to

commence each day at eleven o'clock, a. m., and continue till two, or if the principals agree, till i tree, P. X.

The expenses are to be defrayed by the sale of tickets, and the surplus above the expenditure to be at the disposal of the principals, for the purposes of charity. Mr. Gregg and Mr. Coyne respectfully request that the committee will inform them, at the earliest possible moment, on what terms per diem the room may be had.

Dublin, April 19, 1838



GENTLEMEN,-In answer to your application of yesterday, I am directed by the committee for managing the public rooms to inform you, that the Rotunda is at your service for the purpose specified, on the following terms, viz.—101. per day, if occupied for any time under a week, and if occupied for a week, 501. and for every day after the week, 61. I have the honour to be, gentlemen, your obedient servant,

W. M. BensOX, Lying-in Hospital, 20th April, 1838.

Secretary and Registrar.

(From the Freeman's Journal,Wednesday, June 6, 1838.)


We have been requested to publish the following note, addressed by the Rev. Mr. M.Namara to his brother chairman, the Rev. Mr. Nangle;

4, Capel Street, June 5, 1838. Rev. Sır, -As in my conversation with you on yesterday and Saturday, I failed in inducing you to name any fixed time whatever for the termination of the discussion between Rev. Messrs. Gregg and Maguire, I now beg to inform you of my determination, under such circumstances, of closing it on Thursday evening.

In coming to this resolution, I am sure I have the concurrence of every dispassionate and wellthinking individual, convinced, as evory person of this description is, that nine days myst afford ample time for the fullest investigation of the two propositions in question. I also consider that by this course I am consulting for the interests of our common Christianity, and for the peace and good feeling of society, which must be seriously injured by indefinitely protracting so very exciting a controversy.

I assent, indeed against my judgment, to its continuance for two days more, in order that it may not be said that I, in any way, took Mr. Gregg by surprise. I have the honour to be your obedient servant,


At the termination of the controversy, the Rev. Mr. Maguire, after his nine days' triumphal discussion, accompanied by his Rev. Chairman, and Mr. R. Coyne, retired to No. 4, Capel-street, amid the cheers of at least 10,000 persons, who thronged round the victorious champion of their cherished faith


The friends of the Rev. Thomas Maguire will meet at the Old Association-rooms, 4, Capel-street, on to-morrow, at three o'clock, precisely, for the purpose of making arrangements to offer him a uribute of grateful respect for his great zeal and talents displayed in support of Religion.

Thursday, 7th June, 1838.

Mr. R. Coyne, accompanied by Mr. George Brennan, Mr. Maguire's very particular triend, having waited on F. w. Conway, Esq. with the above advertisement immediately after the termination of the controversy, that gentleman, in the kindest and most liberal manner, stopped the pross, and wrote the following complimentary paragraph, which he inserted in the Evening Post:

“ The discussion is over, and Mr. Maguire has certainly added to the well-earned laurels bo has acquired by his profound knowledge, as well as by his admirable dexterity as a controversialist. We are glad to perceive, by an advertisement, inserted elsewhere, that the friends of the Rev. Gostocan assemble at the old Association-rooms to-morrow, to make arrangements for the purpose of offering the Rev. gentleman a tribute of their admiration, affection, and respect. Wo donbt not that the meeting will be fully and respectably attended."

The meeting accordingly took place, the Hon. G. Fronch in the chair, a subscription entered into, and on the motion of R. N. Fynn, Esq. a resolution was passed that an aggregate meeting should be held at the Coru Exchange on the following Monday.

TRIBUTE TO THE REV. THOMAS MAGUINE, P. P. BALLINAMORE. At a pumerous and highly respectable meeting of the friends of the above distinguished champion, held at the Corn Exchange Rooms, on the 11th June, The Hon. Gonville French in the chair, the following resolutions were unanimously adopted :

Proposed by R. N. Fynn, Esq.; seconded by Rev. Dr. Miley:

Resolved-That the people of Ireland, and more especially the Catholic portion of them, owo a deep debt of gratitude to the champion of their creed and the vindicator of their national character ; and that it is the opiniou of this meeting that they are imperatively called upon to reward his valuable and successful services by some lasting and substantial testimony of their esteem and admiration.

Proposed by the Right Rev. Dr. Kernan, Catholic Bishop of Clogher; seconded by Sylvester Young, Esq.:

Resolved-That we call upon the Catholic clergy and people of Ireland to fix on a certain Sunday in this month, in order to give the friends of the Rev. Thomas Maguire an opportunity of testifying their unbounded gratitude for his triumphant exertions in the late controversy, by contributing in their respective parishes to this national testimonial; and for that purpose that our secretary be requested to communicate with the several clergy upon the subject.

Proposed by R. O'Gormon, Esq.; seconded by the Rev. Mr. enan :

Resolved-That it is the opinion of this meeting that the Rev. Thomas Maguire has, during the controversial discussion, which terminated on the 7th instant, acquitted himself in a manner worthy of the great ant sacred cause of which he was the advocate, and of the high reputation which he had earned for himself in a similar triumph.

Proposed by the Rev. Mr. Boyle ; seconded by William O'Mahony, Esq.:

Resolved–That the following Committee of seven be appointed to receive subscriptions, and to consider the best manner of allocating the whole amount for the use of the Rev. Mr. Maguire :Hon. Gonville French; Sylvester Young, Esq.; Richard O'Gorman, Esq.; Richard Coyne, Esq. i John D'Arcy, Esq.; George Brennan, Esq.; and Robert N. Fynn, Esq.

Proposed by Counsellor Kernan; seconded by P. Grennon, Esq.:

Resolved–That Robert N. Fynn, Esq., be appointed to act as secretary, and that Johu D'Arcy, Esq, be appointed to act as Treasurer.

Proposed by the Rev. Mr. Keenan ; seconded by John Magrath, Esq., of Waterford.

Resolved That the cordial thanks of this meeting be given to Richard Coyne, Esq., for the bold and manly exertions he has made, during a long and honourable life, to sustain the ancient faith, but particularly for the many marks of constant friendship he bas manifested to the Irish Champion, even before he was distinguished by victory over the false Pope.

Resolved - That the thanks of this meeting are justly due, and hereby cheerfully given, to the Rev. Justin M'Namara, P. P. of Kinsale, for his steady and dignified conduct as chairman to the Rev. T. Maguire. Passed unanimously.


ROBERT N. Fynn, Secretary. The Hon. Gonville French having left the chair, and Daniel M'Dermot, Barrister-at-Law, being called thereto.

It was proposed by Richard O'Gorman, Esq.; seconded by Sylvester Young, Esq.:

Resolved - That the marked thanks of this moeting be given to the Hon. Gonville French, for his dignified couduct in the chair.

DANIEL M'DERMOT, Chairman. ROBERT N. Fynn, Secretary.

Rev. Sir, I respectfully and earnestly solicit your attention to the vast importance of the above resolution, carried without one dissentient voice, by the most crowded meeting ever assembled at the Corn Exchange. The glorious triumph of truth, reason, religion over bigotry, knavery and fanaticism, will shine forth in its resplendent lustre, when the authenticated Report of the Discussion shall have reached you. Your friend Mr. Maguire has astounded and confounded your enemies. Your religion is exalted, and your liberty is secured. The present generation will never witness another public viva voce Discussion. Ireland therefore confidently expects, that every true Irishman will do his duty-every lover of the holy Confessional in Ireland should contribute something, were it only one penny. Let our unity of faith be proved by our unanimity of feeling: By giving the enemy of Christ a simultaneous broadside, we shall establish the hopelessness of all future invasion. The laity—the source of passive infallibility, will cheerfully co-operate with their Pastor. The Clergy, made wise byjexperience, will lead instead of being led. I am directed by the Committee, to implore of you, as you value Ireland's Priesthood, and Ireland's independence, to exert yourself erenuously this once. Unity of effort, purity of principle, and identity of interest, are calculated to insure success.

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