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works in England, £1,500 only were to be voted for carrying out a similar object in Ireland. That he (Mr. Maguire) regarded as a policy unjust towards the sister country, and dangerous to the public service. The result of that neglect had been, that one of the finest harbours of refuge-Queenstown-which the united kingdom could boast, had been turned to no account whatever, notwithstanding that Admiral G. Sartorius had given it as his opinion that it was highly expedient that both a naval station and a dockyard should be established in that quarter, instead of having them all in a cluster, when an enemy may sweep down upon them in a night. The right hon. Baronet the Member for Carlisle could bear testimony to the advantages which it possessed; for, while engaged during his official visit to the south of Ireland in 1853-in laying the foundation stone of the Admiralty pier at Queenstown, one of the largest vessels in the empire had entered the harbour at low water. He should, for those reasons, strongly urge upon the First Lord of the Admiralty the propriety of directing his attention to the subject of converting Queenstown into a harbour of refuge. At present, in case of vessels being driven by distress into this harbour, there were no means of assisting them at the command of the Government; the steam-tugs belonging to the merchant service were employed, and it was often a mercy that the vessels were not lost.

MR. BOOKER-BLAKEMORE drew attention to the necessity of making a survey, and taking precautions to protect the commerce, which had so much increased, on the coast of South Wales.

SIR CHARLES WOOD said, that it was proposed to employ convict labour to a considerable extent at Chatham. A convict prison had been built near the outer wall of the dockyard, and a great deal of work in stacking timber was about to be done by the convicts. Sheerness was situated in such an inconvenient position that he was disinclined to expend money in works there, but a great deal had been spent, and it was necessary to be able to fit and repair vessels that came in there. Some heavy expenses were necessary at Chatham, and he hoped to be able to construct there, as at Portsmouth, places in which the gun-boats could be brought up. Almost the whole of the expenditure for Pembroke was a re-vote, as it was found impossible to execute the works within the year. It

was found necessary to widen the dock there to admit the larger vessels now built. The Votes for Keyham were for the most part in execution of the designs already approved. He hoped to provide a place there where the gun-boats might be drawn up, and also to erect barracks for the sailors. With regard to the foundry at Bull Point, that was established in consequence of an understanding when the foundry at Keyham was given up. The Vote for the breakwater at Plymouth was a supplementary estimate. It was found that the force of the waves was so great that the largest stones were lifted and thrown over the breakwater, and it was therefore necessary to alter the construction. The amount already voted was £26,000, the Vote now required was £13,000, and the further estimate to complete the work was £36,000, making a total of £75,000. With regard to the proposal about Queenstown, the works now in progress in the existing dockyards required so large a sum that until they were completed he could not hold out any hopes of undertaking large works in Queenstown harbour. With respect to the suggestion of the hon. Gentleman (Mr. Blakemore) it was intended that one of the coastguard vessels should remain in the Bristol Channel, but lying there was found to be so dangerous that the vessel was ordered to Milford Haven.

SIR JAMES GRAHAM regretted the reduction of the marines from 16,000 to 15,000, as he thought that it was of the last importance that we should maintain, at least, the present establishment of marines. He was of opinion that in time of peace the marines should form the larger portion, if not almost the whole of the garrisons of some of the outports, such as Devonport, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Woolwich. But it was impossible to regard them in this light as apart from the army; and he thought it quite possible that some arrangement could be made with the Minister at War, so that the barracks hitherto occupied by the army at Devonport, Portsmouth, &c. should be given up to the marines. It appeared, however, that a very large Vote was taken for new barracks for the marines, both at Devonport and Portsmouth, and, he believed, at Woolwich, while in the Army Estimates there was also an outlay for additional barracks for the army.

SIR CHARLES WOOD said, that the marines had very good and extensive barracks at Woolwich, and it was not pro

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posed to make any addition to them. With regard to Chatham, it had for many years been considered advisable to enlarge the marine barracks there, and it was proposed to be done by getting rid of a particular class of houses that existed near the barracks. With regard to Portsmouth they were building additional barracks for the army, and could not spare any accommodation for the marines. With regard to Plymoth he had given up to the army the Millbay barracks, and the army had given up to the navy a building and some land adjacent to the marine barracks. There again the present barrack were not sufficient for the army.

SIR CHARLES NAPIER said, that it seemed strange in a maritime country that the marines should be at Gosport instead of Portsmouth. He would suggest that the arrangement should be to put the troops at Portsmouth in barracks at Gosport, and to locate the marines in the best place for embarkation-namely, at Portsmouth.

MR. HENLEY thought the answer of the First Lord did not go to the point. The right hon. Baronet (Sir J. Graham) wanted the soldiers taken away from seaport towns and the marines put in their place. The right hon. Baronet (Sir C. Wood) said there was no room for the marines, because the soldiers were there. But if the soldiers were not there, room might be found. There might be good reasons why the soldiers should be there, but the right hon. Baronet had not stated them.

SIR CHARLES WOOD had understood the right hon. Baronet (Sir J. Graham) to ask why an arrangement could not be made for the army to give up some barracks, and the marines to occupy them. His answer was that the present barrack accommodation was so bad that it was found necessary to erect new buildings.

SIR JAMES GRAHAM said the right hon. Gentleman (Mr. Henley) had exactly apprehended what he wished to convey. Assuming that in time of peace the garrison at Devonport consisted of 5,000 men 3,000 soldiers and 2,000 marines-it was suggested that henceforth there should be 3,000 marines and 2,000 soldiers. If there were accommodation for 3,000 soldiers and 1,000 were removed, to be replaced by 1,000 marines, he suggested that the 1,000 marines should occupy the barracks of the 1,000 soldiers. Vote agreed to; as was also

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(13.) £20,000, Medicines.
House resumed.

Resolutions to be reported To-morrow.
Committee to sit again on Wednesday.

TRANSPORTATION AND PENAL SERVI-
TUDE BILL.

CONSIDERATION AS AMENDED.

Bill, as amended considered. MR. WALPOLE wished to see the regulations proposed by the Home Office, upon which the working of the Bill must depend, before it passed.

SIR GEORGE GREY said, the regulations would depend on the shape the Bill would ultimately assume. No doubt, it would receive full consideration in the other House, and as soon as possible he would prepare the regulations.

MR. HENLEY expressed a hope that the third reading would not be taken at a late hour.

SIR GEORGE GREY promised to give a fair opportunity for discussion.

Bill to be read 3° To-morrow.

BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY (IRE-
LAND) [SALARIES, &c.]-COMMITTEE.
Order for Committee read.
House in Committee.

MR. J. D. FITZGERALD moved Resolutions making provision for the payment of certain Salaries, &c. of the Bankrupt and Insolvent Court, Ireland, out of the Consolidated Fund; and for charging Stamp Duties in lieu of fees on certain documents therein, for the purpose of founding a Bill thereupon.

MR. GROGAN desired explanation.

MR. J. D. FITZGERALD said, that not a single new appointment would take place under the Bill.

MR. BUTT asked whether the Bill would create any new salaries?

MR. J. D. FITZGERALD replied in the negative. It would ultimately effect a permanent saving of between £4,000 and £5,000 per annum.

MR. HENLEY inquired whether this eventual saving would not be purchased by an immediate increase of expense.

MR. J. D. FITZGERALD said, the present increase would be very slight indeed.

LORD JOHN MANNERS was puzzled to know how, when an office was abolished and no new appointment made, there could be any increase of charge, unless, indeed,

the retiring pension was to be larger than the original salary.

MR. J. D. FITZGERALD said the increase was owing to the augmentation that must be made in the salaries of the Judges for having additional duties thrown upon them. The augmentation would amount to about £1,600 a year.

MR. MACARTNEY thought it would be much better if the right hon. Gentleman had candidly announced the salaries that were to be paid under the new Bill. It would appear that Mr. Hatchell, a hale, stout gentleman, who was at present at the head of the Insolvent Court, was to retire upon his full salary of £1846 a year. Well, it would have been much fairer to have let that out at once. The better plan would be to refer the Bill to a select Committee to determine whether the junction of the two courts was advisable.

MR. J. D. FITZGERALD denied that there had been any want of candour on his part, for the Bill had been before the public, and in the hands of hon. Gentlemen for nearly two years; and there was not a salary or retiring pension to be granted the full particulars of which were not detailed in the Bill. He also said, that the duties of two existing Judges would in future be discharged by one Judge, whose salary was to be raised from £1,500 to £2,000, on account of the additional work to be thrown upon him. The temporary increase of charge would be nothing like a moiety of the permanent saving.

MR. BUTT confessed he could not see the saving in giving £1,000 a year to two Commissioners of bankruptcy for doing the work which one man was paid £1,800 a year for not doing.

In reply to Mr. SEYMOUR FITZGERALD, MR. J. D. FITZGERALD said, there would be no increase on the present charge arising out of retiring pensions, because no officer retiring would get more than he had at present; but, in respect to the continued officers, namely, the Judges of the Bankruptcy Court and the officials of the Insolvent Debtor's Court transferred to it, there would be some increase of salary.

MR. SEYMOUR FITZGERALD wanted to know what would be the total increase of charge in respect to those Courts, including compensations for the abolition of offices, increase of salaries, and retiring allowances.

MR. J. D. FITZGERALD said, the

total increase of charge would be from £1,500 to £1,600 a year, including retiring allowances and all.

MR. MACARTNEY reminded the Attorney General for Ireland that there were eight officers under the present system, but there would be thirteen under the new

one.

Resolutions agreed to. House resumed.

THE CASE OF CAPTAIN WOOD.

CORRESPONDENCE MOVED FOR. CAPTAIN ARCHDALL moved an address for copies of all correspondence between Captain Wood, late Paymaster of the Battalion Depôt at Winchester, and the War Department, relating to office accommodation at Winchester, additional assistants, and resignation of the situation of paymaster; and, of a memorial dated the 3rd day of January, 1856, presented by Captain Wood to the Minister of War, the reply thereto, and of all correspondence consequent upon and relating to the said memorial and its contents.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, that She will be graciously pleased to give directions that there be laid before this House, Copies late Paymaster of the Battalion Depôt at Winof all Correspondence between Captain Wood, chester, and the War Department, relating to Office Accommodation at Winchester, Additional Assistants, and resignation of the situation of Paymaster:

66 And, of a Memorial dated the 3rd day of January, 1856, presented by Captain Wood to the Minister of War, the reply thereto, and of all Correspondence consequent upon and relating to the said Memorial and its contents."

SIR JOHN RAMSDEN said, the correspondence in question was purely of a departmental character, and it was his duty, on behalf of the Government to oppose its production. The case was only one of a great number of similar claims, which were always disposed of under a well-known and established regulation, and the Government were averse to make an exception to that regulation. The matter had been reconsidered carefully, but there was no reason for altering the decision already come to. It would be dangerous to the service to accede to the Motion.

CAPTAIN ARCHDALL said, he had moved for the correspondence on public grounds, as well as in consideration of the hardship inflicted on Captain Wood, and he trusted, that in justice to (an old officer, the House would not consider the ground

assigned for refusing its production by the| MISSIONARIES OF BENGAL—PETITION. hon. Baronet a sufficient one. MR. KINNAIRD moved, that the Petition of the Protestant missionaries of Bengal (presented in February last) be printed with the Votes.

VISCOUNT PALMERSTON: I hope the House will not agree to the Motion of the hon. and gallant Officer; and I warn them that if they commence revising the decision of the War Office upon the claims of individual officers they will embark upon a sea of troubles to an extent of which, I am sure, they can have no conception. One great department of the War Office is daily and constantly employed in considering these personal claims. It forms an immense mass of business, and if the House of Commons erects itself into a tribunal of appeal against decisions of the Secretary for War upon claims of paymasters and regimental officers, I can assure the House that a large mass of matter will have to be printed which nobody will ever read. I hope, therefore, the House will not encourage these Motions.

COLONEL BOLDERO advised his hon. and gallant Friend to withdraw his Motion, but at the same time regretted that while in the Bill, which had just occupied their attention, a pension of £1,800 was about to be given to a civilian after merely four years' service, even half-pay was grudged to a military gentleman who had served his country for upwards of forty years. Question put, and negatived.

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SIR JOHN RAMSDEN opposed the Motion, on the ground that the reports were of a confidential character, in which consisted their entire value.

SIR JOHN TRELAWNY was in the hands of the House, and would certainly persevere in his Motion if any disposition were shown for a division.

SIR WILLIAM CODRINGTON approved the reason given by Sir J. Ramsden against the production of the reports.

MR. P. O'BRIEN recommended the withdrawal of the Motion, as he did not think that the House was competent to decide upon military questions. Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

MR. WILSON hoped the House would not agree to the printing of the Petition unless the hon. Gentleman intended to found a Motion upon it. Such was the rule.

MR. KINNAIRD said, several hon. Gentlemen had asked him for a copy of the petition, in order that they might thoroughly understand the subject, which it was his intention to bring before the House on a future occasion, and of which he had already given notice. That was the reason that he moved the printing of the Petition.

MR. HENLEY said, the Petition was represented to be as large as a pamphlet, and perhaps that was the reason that there might be a desire to have it printed at the expense of the House. Unless the hon. Gentleman opposite meant to bring forward a Motion on the subject, he would oppose the printing of the Petition, and he hoped the Government would adhere to the rule they had laid down, and not consent to the Motion.

MR. KINNAIRD said, the Petition was certainly long, for it included grievances which were brought under the notice of Parliament by a number of missionaries of all denominations assembled at Calcutta. He had already given notice of his intention to call the attention of the House to the allegations of the Petition on the 28th instant.

Motion agreed to.

Petition of Protestant Missionaries residing in and near Calcutta, in the Presidency of Bengal [presented 20th February] to be printed.

BLEACHING AND DYEING WORKS. .

NOMINATION OF COMMITTEE. MR. BUTT nominated the Select Com.. mittee on Bleaching and Dyeing Works.

Committee nominated-Mr. BUTT, Lord JOHN MANNERS, Viscount GODERICH, Mr. KIRK, Mr. BAXTER, Mr. MASSEY, Mr. FERGUS, Mr. CLARK, Mr. CHEETHAM, Lord NAAS, Mr. COBBETT, Mr. WISE, Mr. TURNER, Mr. A. ADDERLEY, and Mr. Moore.

On Mr. ADDERLEY's name being proposed,

MR. CAIRNS said, he thought that the Irish interest was not fairly represented on the Committee, he should therefore move the omission of Mr. Adderley's name, with the view of substituting that of Mr. Davi

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The Army in India- {LORDS} Reinforcements-- Question.

MR. FITZROY wished to suggest to the House that the appointment of numerous Committees on important subjects during the present Session was not likely to lead to any beneficial result. He observed that there were on the papers for that evening Motions for appointing three very numerous Committees on subjects of considerable interest. It was very unlikely, considering the period at which the Session would close, the numerous Election Committees that would have to be appointed, and the quantity of private business to be transacted, that Members could give full and due attention to many other important subjects, and prepare reports which would be likely to be satisfactory. He ventured to throw out this suggestion for the consideration of the House.

Motion made, and Question, "That Mr. ADDERLEY be one other Member of the said Committee," put, and negatived.

MR. PACKE nominated one other
Member of the said Committee:-
Power to send for persons, papers, and records;
Five to be the quorum.

House adjourned at half-after One o'clock.

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THE MARQUESS OF WESTMEATH.

PERSONAL EXPLANATION.

THE MARQUESS OF WESTMEATH said, he hoped their Lordships would extend to him for a few moments the indulgence which they usually granted to one of their Members who had to make an explanation in reference to a matter in which his personal honour and character were involved. His attention had been directed to an article in The Globe newspaper of the preceding evening in reference to a Bill now on their Lordships' table, and which contained statements in reference to himself utterly false, and, as he believed, undoubtedly libellous. But as regarded their libellous character, he would not trouble their Lordships-that would be a matter which it would be for another tribunal to consider.

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But as regarded that part which concerned his honour, he wished to take the earliest opportunity of contradicting, in the most positive manner, a composition which had been sent about on the part of the lady who did him the honour of bearing his name, but who had left his house of her own account thirty-eight years ago, and who did not appear to be as yet content to leave her husband in peace. The statements in The Globe were founded on a pamphlet which had been going the round of certain newspapers, and which had been placed on the tables of the clubs, with the view of vilifying his character. Their Lordships might say that they had nothing to do with a private matter of that kind; but he would remind them that the statements in question had been put forward at that particular time, in connection with a Bill which was to be brought under their consideration that evening. It was on that account that he did not wish to lose one moment in stating that, when that Bill got into Committee, he would take the opportunity of meeting the whole of the statements to which he referred by a positive and irrefragable contradiction, which would show that every one of them was unfounded, and that they had been characterized by an amount of perjury and conspiracy which could never have taken place in any court in this country in which testimony was taken viva voce. In the Ecclesiastical Courts, and in those courts alone, with which their Lordships were now about to deal, and which for the sake of justice and for the sake of morality he hoped they were about to annihilate, could such proceedings as those of which he complained have been conducted. He had only to repeat that it was his intention at the earliest opportunity to meet those atrocious libels with the complete and indignant denial which they deserved.

THE ARMY IN INDIA-REINFORCE

MENTS.-QUESTION.

THE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH said, he believed that in consequence of the intelligence recently received from India, it would be satisfactory to the House and the public, if the noble Lord the Secretary for War would state what measures he intended to adopt for the purpose of reinforcing the army in that country with European troops.

LORD PANMURE said, that the intelligence recently received from India had

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