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These Violent Delights by Micah Nemerever
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These Violent Delights (original 2020; edition 2020)

by Micah Nemerever

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3261079,679 (3.71)9
Just as Paul and Julian feel about each other in These Violent Delights, I both loved this book and I hated it too. Three stars from me, which splits the difference between five for the love and zero for the hate.

This book did have the impact on me that I suspect the author was aiming for. I read the first three parts of the book and almost stopped because I couldn't relate to where this story was going / had gone, and I was really revolted by the self pity and the rage. But I plowed on and finished it, and I'm glad I did because the fourth part of the book eased back on the intensity and brought at least some humanity back to the characters.

It's a roller coaster ride, and if that intrigues you and it sounds like a ride you'd like to go on, then by all means pick up this book. Just don't say I didn't warn you...

I read the audiobook, and Michael Crouch did a fantastic job with narration.

Some of my other thoughts on the book:

Fantastic writing - evocative of the characters young age and strong intellects, great atmosphere, flowed really well. Many stories / levels within the overall story that add to the depth of feelings this book will get from you. Astounding that this is a debut novel.

Complex characters - first you feel empathy, then disappointment, then revulsion, then disrespect. And at the same time you understand who these people are, even though you do not understand many of the things they do.

Familiar plot (ala Leopold & Loeb) - Set in the 1970s at an unnamed college in Pittsburgh, the book is in four Parts - boy meets boy, needy boy falls for needy boy in a love with increasingly violent undertones, boy couple plots a heinous crime to cement their love, boys get away with it (okay, that part is not familiar). Four parts, four emotions from me - empathy, disappointment, revulsion, disrespect.

Unreliable narrator - Though told in the third person, the narrator closely hews to Paul's story. Julian never really comes into equal focus, and while that seems intentional on the author's part, to me it is the book's biggest weakness. It's clear that the two boys love and understand each other with life altering intensity, but its much clearer why Paul was drawn to Julian than vice versa. And when you think you've figured out what Julian sees in Paul, something happens that lets you know that you're wrong. And that's when you realize that you aren't getting the "true" story of what happened, but only Paul's version of it.

Missteps - There were a few others, but these two stuck out to me - 1) Paul is seventeen when the book starts. When the book ends, Paul is seventeen. A full academic year at college and part of a second occur during the course of the book. So how is Paul still seventeen? 2) Paul visits Julian's parent's palatial home and wishes it were one of the lesser mansions he sees on the drive there, because they seem more "nouveau riche", and so perhaps more something he could better understand than the "old money" estate he arrives at. I found this maybe a bit too worldly wise for a 1970s working class city kid, even one as precocious as Paul. 3) Almost everything that happens at Julian's parent's house seems cliched and one dimensional (except for the boy's destruction fantasy). Again, this seems to have been the author's intent, but it reads as the weakest part of the book. ( )
  stevesbookstuff | Feb 7, 2021 |
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Okay, I HAVE MIXED EMOTIONS!!

WHAT WAS THAT ENDING??? FRT, WHAT HAPPENED? TOOK MY DUMB BRAIN A TRIP TO REDDIT TO MAYBE DECIPHER IT. IDK, I STILL AM UNSURE WHAT IT EXACTLY ENTAILS. IS IT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION? IS IT ONLY COMPREHENSIBLE TO TRUE DARK ACADEMIA FANS? I got lost in the Reddit wormhole.

*deep breaths*

Rating: 3.5/5

This book, for some reason was dnf'd a while ago. I picked it up again from the beginning because I have heard so much about it and I also barely remembered a thing. For the first half of the book, I was just struggling to connect with the narrative. I sort of understood what was happening but I could not reason with myself to like it. I was just so disconnected.

This continued on until the story took a drastic turnaround and I wanted to get to the end, ASAP.

This is the poetic, obsessive, and inherently toxic tale of Paul and Julian, who would not flinch to go to the ends of the earth to show the depths of their love for each other. If only they knew what to say and when to say it. The level of 'twisted' increases as the story unravels and I was all for it.

The writing is impeccable and it strings you along as the two MCs unravel their mysterious and almost sadistic minds. The story is from Paul's point of view so our understanding of Julian is mostly fed by his idea of Julian. I would totally read a TVD - Julian's perspective. I think that would be amazing.

I am only rating it a 3.5 because I cannot confidently say that I love my entire experience of reading this book. I can say I love the ending but I am still divided about my ultimate opinion. ( )
  AnrMarri | Aug 1, 2023 |
It's somehow both undercooked and kinda bloated, in some weird complicated way I can't really explain. And considering the subject matter, it's a surprisingly easy read.

Sooo, 3.5 stars, I guess. ( )
  ThatThomas | Apr 14, 2023 |
Paul and Julian, two social outsiders who initially become friends in a first-year ethics class in 1970s Pittsburgh, are the focus of the book. Paul, who is excruciatingly shy and awkward, is drawn to Julian's easy charm and excellent looks like a moth to a flame. The boys' friendship quickly develops into something far more intimate and dangerously co-dependent, much to the dismay of their families, as each accentuates the other's worst ideals, insecurities, and urges. Paul starts looking for an allegiance that will permanently bind him to Julian as their connection becomes more destructive, but neither of them is anticipating the destruction their act of fealty will bring.
The book is a psychological masterwork that keeps the reader in suspense for probably a little too long. ( )
  jwhenderson | Mar 26, 2023 |
it's violent, as the name says. ( )
  autumn_wind | Jan 20, 2023 |
A dark, melancholic, and disturbing character study that revels in its patience while ratcheting up suspense and dread one step at a time.

It's hard to define what this is. It is and isn't a thriller. It leans into literary prose, but I wouldn't call this literary fiction. It's that middle ground, an upmarket story about two young men and the disturbing bond they find within each other. ( )
1 vote keithlaf | Nov 19, 2022 |
Everything about Julian was shaded with the threat of it—even his affection felt dangerous, as if it might curdle at any moment into derision.
I don’t know how I can be the first person to notice how twisted you are.” Julian smiled coolly as he spoke.“You’re the only one who’s never wanted me not to be.

Barely anything happened in this book, but the way it was written was gripping. Paul and Julian just live their lives and yet the entire book is filled with a certain dread.
Their relationship is erratic, violent and genuine at the same time. They can’t go without each other, but being together brings them no good either.
It’s the kind of mutual obsession that can never end well, and the author has written an impressive novel about it. ( )
  MYvos | Sep 28, 2022 |
it's violent, as the name says. ( )
  autumn_wind | Jul 16, 2022 |
to be real, i had to stop reading this, because it was taking me so long to get through - i would just read like one chapter per day, take long breaks in between, etc. i think it's exquisitely written and the character stuff is brilliant, plus i love that there's a big complicated jewish family, but it's just so emotionally heavy. i'd love to come back to it one day, when i have more space for something like this. but right now, i do not, and so i am forcing myself to give up. until next time.
  i. | Apr 13, 2022 |
Just as Paul and Julian feel about each other in These Violent Delights, I both loved this book and I hated it too. Three stars from me, which splits the difference between five for the love and zero for the hate.

This book did have the impact on me that I suspect the author was aiming for. I read the first three parts of the book and almost stopped because I couldn't relate to where this story was going / had gone, and I was really revolted by the self pity and the rage. But I plowed on and finished it, and I'm glad I did because the fourth part of the book eased back on the intensity and brought at least some humanity back to the characters.

It's a roller coaster ride, and if that intrigues you and it sounds like a ride you'd like to go on, then by all means pick up this book. Just don't say I didn't warn you...

I read the audiobook, and Michael Crouch did a fantastic job with narration.

Some of my other thoughts on the book:

Fantastic writing - evocative of the characters young age and strong intellects, great atmosphere, flowed really well. Many stories / levels within the overall story that add to the depth of feelings this book will get from you. Astounding that this is a debut novel.

Complex characters - first you feel empathy, then disappointment, then revulsion, then disrespect. And at the same time you understand who these people are, even though you do not understand many of the things they do.

Familiar plot (ala Leopold & Loeb) - Set in the 1970s at an unnamed college in Pittsburgh, the book is in four Parts - boy meets boy, needy boy falls for needy boy in a love with increasingly violent undertones, boy couple plots a heinous crime to cement their love, boys get away with it (okay, that part is not familiar). Four parts, four emotions from me - empathy, disappointment, revulsion, disrespect.

Unreliable narrator - Though told in the third person, the narrator closely hews to Paul's story. Julian never really comes into equal focus, and while that seems intentional on the author's part, to me it is the book's biggest weakness. It's clear that the two boys love and understand each other with life altering intensity, but its much clearer why Paul was drawn to Julian than vice versa. And when you think you've figured out what Julian sees in Paul, something happens that lets you know that you're wrong. And that's when you realize that you aren't getting the "true" story of what happened, but only Paul's version of it.

Missteps - There were a few others, but these two stuck out to me - 1) Paul is seventeen when the book starts. When the book ends, Paul is seventeen. A full academic year at college and part of a second occur during the course of the book. So how is Paul still seventeen? 2) Paul visits Julian's parent's palatial home and wishes it were one of the lesser mansions he sees on the drive there, because they seem more "nouveau riche", and so perhaps more something he could better understand than the "old money" estate he arrives at. I found this maybe a bit too worldly wise for a 1970s working class city kid, even one as precocious as Paul. 3) Almost everything that happens at Julian's parent's house seems cliched and one dimensional (except for the boy's destruction fantasy). Again, this seems to have been the author's intent, but it reads as the weakest part of the book. ( )
  stevesbookstuff | Feb 7, 2021 |
This is an explosively erotic and erudite thriller that the reader either really likes or really doesn’t. I don’t believe that I have read a single review that the reader is on the fence about this one. From the very first page it is filled with a tremendous sense of dread and urgency that remains until the final page. Paul is drawn to Julian like a moth to a flame and soon they develop much more than a friendship. Both are freshmen in 1970 at the University at Pittsburg. Paul is painfully shy and awkward where Julian presents the physical presence of excitement for Paul who constantly feels he must proof himself worthy…two boys so different… but yet so very chillingly alike. The two boys are extremely unlikable in spite of the author attempt early in the story to make the reader feel some sympathy for them. Don’t waste time trying because you just can’t. Paul soon recognizes that he’s “in love” with Julian and wants to have/do something that will seal Julian to him and Julian encourages the “game” rather than stopping it. Perhaps the sentence that best sums the feelings up is …Julian: “I can’t believe that you are the first person not to notice how twisted I am.” Paul: “You’re the first person to not want me to be”. That having been said… neither boy is prepared, nor do they really care that their “act of devotion” will yield such devastation. I read a lot of this genre of novels… but this author has almost outdone himself with the nearly unbearable tension and dread the reader feels throughout the entire story. I found myself searching desperately for an end to the events that these boys had caused to take place. I still give the book credit for accomplishing what I believe was it’s goal. 2.5 stars because, while it isn’t such a “page turner”…it certainly does have the ability to make the reader feel so many deep, dark emotions to the extent that you feel like you need a long hot bath for a month or two. ( )
  Carol420 | Dec 5, 2020 |
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